set position with nobody on
Swanny,
A few weeks ago we had a very good discussion in the established umpires class about a pitcher in the set positon with nobody on. We see this at all levels of play where for whatever reason they are more comfortable pitching from the set position with nobody on. My question to you is, if a pitcher does not come to a complete stop with nobody on while pitching from the set position is this considered a illegal pitch and a ball shall be charged to the defense? We debated for most of the class that night and could not come up with a solid answer. If you look into the rule book all penalties when pitching from the set position are with runners on base. There is the opinion that in the book it says that a pitcher must come to a discernable stop while pitching from the set position and if the pitcher does not stop then it is a illegal pitch, but it does not address no runners on. I personally feel that we have nothing in this situation and I asked that we get a ruling from Ken Allen or a rules guru. Until I get clarification I am not going to call this a illegal pitch so if I am wrong let me know and lets make sure the entire group is up on the proper ruling.
Tom Ramirez
Tom,
To me why create problems , I agree with you I have nothing. Technically I suppose we have an illegal pitch that would be a ball , but would a coach call you on that? Is anyone looking for that under these circumstances ? Something to think about, can't wait to see more ideas on this.
Larry Loeffler
I have nothing on this when no runner(s) are on base. A discernable stop when delivering to the plate with a runner(s) on base is required or its a balk. What is the difference if your winding up and throwing not stopping or throwing from a set position look and not stopping. Quick pitch is when the batter is not ready for the delivery of the pitch and that becomes illegal.
PENALTY (ART. 1. 2. 3) 'The ball is dead immediately when an illegal pitch occurs. If there is no runner, a ball is awarded the batter. If there is a runner such illegal act is a balk. In both situations, the umpire signals dead ball' I guess we are taking upon ourself to overlook a portion of a rule we don't agree with. Maybe the best solution to this rule is to go for a rule change like when no runner(s) on declare illegal pitch,with delayed dead ball.(signal) Let the pitch be thrown, if batted, batter-runner gets a hit, play on, If not ball award to the batter. (Rule change takes a long time to come by)
In all cases we cannot ignore the fact that the pitcher is committing an illegal pitch by rule. You could inform the coach and the pitcher to quit pitching from the set position if he is not conforming to the rule.
The Penalty for no stop with no runner on (NFHS 6-1-3) is a ball and the ball is dead. Plainly stated. Official Rule of Baseball Section 8.01 (b) penalizes with a "ball" call, but the pitch remains alive - if the batter reaches first in any manner, the infraction is ignored. The obvious difference is that the high school rule kills the ball, the pro rule does not.
I, for only one, do not like to pick and choose which rules I will enforce and those I don't. Failure to enforce the rule is deceptive to the batter - he won't know whether the pitcher is going to commence a pitch prefaced by a stop, or not. Therefore, every pitch is a new scenario, and the hitter does not know if the pitcher is going to stop or bounce or what. Advantage to the pitcher, which is probably the basis for the existence of the rules requiring a stop, runners or not.
I will enforce 6-1-3 until NFHS rules tell me otherwise, or NCOA issues policy that we ignore it with no runners on. Perhaps, someday in our lifetimes, NFHS will change the rule to one consistent with the Official Rules, but maybe not :-) .

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