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Dead Ball?

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P.J. Schneider
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I had a situation that I would like some feedback on. With a runner on third less than 2 out the batter attempts to bunt while the runner breaks for home. The batter makes contact with the ball with his forward foot 18 inches out of the box and on the ground. I call the batter-runner out for being out of the box. (Which the manager argues that he never had heard that rule before.) The runner on third scores on the play. I allow the score and just record the out. My question is, should the ball be declared dead when the batter makes contact? If so, should I have sent the runner back to third? I have looked in the NFHS and Little League rule books and it does not make any mention of the dead ball. Just that the batter is out.

Tim Cottrill
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Illegally Batted Ball

P.J.

This is an Illegally batted ball. The batter is out, the ball is dead, all runners return to their bases at time of pitch.

Rules - 5.09d, 6.06a

Terrance Farrell
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Dead Ball

I believe that it is not a dead ball. Like it is not a dead ball if a batted ball hits a runner before passing an infielder. I think you made the right call. Would also like to hear what others think.

Bill Swanson
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Rule Book Text for Illegally Batted Ball:

Swanny:

2.00 -- An ILLEGALLY BATTED BALL is one hit by the batter with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter's box.

5.09 -- The ball becomes dead and runners advance one base, or return to their bases without liability to be put out, when -
(d) a ball is illegally batted, either fair or foul; runners return;

6.06 -- A batter is out for illegal action when -
(a) hitting the ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter's box;

“The Right Call” Casebook -- Comment: Fair or foul, if he/she meets (a) above, call the batter will be out.

INSTRUCTOR COMMENTS: This call is NEVER the responsibility of the base umpire. The plate umpire, only, is responsible.

Daniel Blower
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Batted ball hits runner before Infielder

The ball is dead and runners return to time of pitch base, In all codes on a illegally batted ball.

Also it IS A DEAD BALL when a runner is hit by a batted ball prior to the ball passing an infielder. All Runners return to the time of pitch base in this situation also. This is an INTERFERENCE call. The fielder has priority to field or access a batted ball and the runner must not hinder him or he is guilty of interterence.

Dan B

P.J. Schneider
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Thank You for the input

Thanks for all the comments and references.

Mike DiMiceli
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Dead Ball?

This is an interesting discussion to me. Not because of the subject but because of the comments. When talking "situations" our tendency is to speak without thinking. Swanny's research and comments demonstrate the First and correct response when confronted with a situation question. What does the book say...including casebook and similar references...and how does that apply in the situation being discussed? Look at how quickly and clearly Swanny answered the question...he went to the rules and they were clear. His lesson to us all...first read the rule, first know the rule, then talk about how it applies.

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